ToW-Angel

It's too late in the game for PB and ain't gonna happen. Client Side Demo's is a possibility... Not sure what the next patch holds for the Anti-Cheat.

Absolutely and an excellent point, Ammo... Definitely need to see all of the proof. We also need to figure out who is going to be hosting this as it needs to be in 1 location so that the community ban list is properly maintained and updated as necessary. Having it on too many different sites could lead to other issues. I have contacted Milar from RA (Respected Admins), but no response yet. It is time for one of the anti-cheat communities to step as this is happening now and something will happen in the next couple of days, this is a guarantee.

What am I needing help with? 2 things... 1) I'm hoping that we can get one of the anti-cheat communities to host a community ban list. 2) This is an important one... I need to compile everyones ban list of who was or is actually cheating so I can compile the list once there is a place to host a community ban list. Please, this only needs to be CONFIRMED cheaters, not people you only suspect as cheating. Your diligence and participation is greatly appreciated. If you wish to send me your ban list so I may compile them, please PM me, as this will also be a record of who is contributing. I'm hoping in the next few days to have something for the community. Also, and addition to, I need you to annotate in the PM who the cheaters are so that once I start looking at the ban list, I know which ones to get.

I was talking about going through a Copyright office and actually filling out the necessary forms to say that it is in fact copyrighted material. The copyright you are referring to is considered intellectual property rights, which does give you some legality, but not much.

Almost looks like a remake of Mech Warrior.

All of the above if there is not expressed written permission to use anything from GR:AW. I should addon... All of us have permission to mod GR:AW and insert our personal content into GR:AW. Since this content are your creations and your content that you add to the game, you are the intellectual property owner, but the game still belongs to the manufacturer. In essence of the EULA and License Agreement, you are giving GRiN/UBI permission to use your personal content of the game in the creation of maps, mods, objects and other content and vice versa, they are giving you permission to add it to the game. **EDITED FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE LAST POINT**

Being a 3d modeller from another game, I can tell you that there is a lot of pride in the work you do, especially if it turns out nice. Creating objects for a specific game there is intellectual property rights involved, including any patent pending laws and trademark laws that are involved in the production of any game. Are my objects copyrighted? No. Are they patent pending? No. Are they trademarked? No. Is there intellectual property rights? YES. When I made the objects for the game, there were intellectual property rights involved. Would I be ###### off if someone stole my work for another game that I had not intended? HELL YES. GRiN/UBI owns the patents, copyrights, trademarks and intellectually property rights to the game. There is and will be legal ramifications if GRiN/UBI so desire to chase after this individual. Whether or not he gives GRiN/UBI credit isn't even the point. He's taking from one game from one manufacturer and putting them into a game from another manufacturer. Which does infringe upon all of the above and aforementioned information I have provided. He is in breach of EULA of the game, the manufacturer and publisher of GR:AW on top of what I've already mentioned. Even if he has used the demo version of the game or the retail version, it doesn't matter. However, this individual has put himself in the line of fire. It would be one thing if he had gotten express written permission to use the models from GR:AW, but I've read all the way through and it seems he is aslo breaking the law of plaegerism. So far, I have counted at least 5 laws that this individual has broken. And I'm sure that he could be found liable for all of them if GRiN/UBI so choose to persue this in court. This would mean that other manufacturers of games he's stolen content from could also follow suit of GRiN/UBI in this matter and could end up paying quite a sum of money, fines, court fees and even possible jail time. Just like the US Army is now attempting to prosecute cheaters in open courts of law for patent infringing of a government piece of software.

1.30 is the only one you need.

While I agree with you on what this person is doing... However, you can rest assured that they are very aware of this and handling it. There is no need to bash the site admins, staff and moderators.

and on a This thread is about what people would like in an expansion, not what you personally dislike about the game.

Gang, this is about what we would like to see in an expansion, not if GRiN is going to do an expansion and have it out by Christmas or New Years. Let's keep focused in on what we would like to see in the game. Thanks!

So, do the SADS need a complete restart in order for it to read an updated ban list? I'm a bit confused as this is what I thought the restart_server command was for?

SWEET! This is very very good news! Although, I do have a naming convention question... Is there a specfic format of the names that can be used? Or can they be any name and they only have to be in the ban folder?

I'm already steps ahead for something for the community. While I may not be able to program, there are ideas and possible plans in the works to create something. But, the more ideas that we have, the more we can look at incorporating something similar to what PunksBusted.com has done and is currently doing. The steps are in place, the foundation is being laid for auxillary admin tools.

I personally, in my opinion, do not see why this is not an obtainable goal? This thread I started is about ideas as to what we can do as a community in the addition to what GRiN gives us and possibly what GRiN could incorporate into the current anti-cheat. While I do understand your view, I am however going to agree to disagree with you on your stance. I am personally 'willing' to do what I can in the assistance in the production of a program that can and will automatically or manually update a ban lists. We also know that it is a good idea to reboot the SADS at least once a day. You do have some valid points that you are making, but again I started this thread to get ideas flowing towards what we would like to see incorporated into the current anti-cheat and/or an auxillary program that can at least update ban lists.