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Are the Net Police Coming for You?

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I watched Panorama this evening and found it very interesting, a new law threatening to disconnect the millions of Internet users who unlawfully download free music, films and TV has been proposed.

The program showed what would happen if users were caught downloading music illegally, people would be sent letters warning them to stop or face having their Internet connection speed reduced or even cut off completely.

They showed an example of one family having their connection speed reduced and were only able to surf the Internet and even that was very slow, they couldn't even check their emails as the page would not load.

This got me thinking if this type of restriction could be applied to gamers that were found using hacked versions of certain games, could a law be passed making it possible for game manufacturers to have your Internet connection slowed down making it impossible to play games online.

If this did happen it would make the current DRM laws seem insignificant.

http://bbc.co.uk/i/rl4dl/

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Virgin media issued an letter to its useser @ 1 1/2 years ago to say Download volume was being monitored. Anybody that was downloading large amounts (films, music,games) would have there download speed reduced. There was also talk of warning letters for persistent offenders with possible dissconects. I have not heard of anybody being cut off yet, but i do know people who have had the letter. They were DLing 6 films at the same time !!. I have noticed a reduction in DL speed if im DLing something over 2GB but with a 20MB speed it only drops to about 12MB.

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They showed an example of one family having their connection speed reduced and were only able to surf the Internet and even that was very slow, they couldn't even check their emails as the page would not load.

Welcome to the brave new world :) When everything is pointing online to do anything you can literally switch people off. This kind of approach setup and taken further as we move more and more online for money/transactions etc etc etc doesn't actually send a great message does it really.

Notice they never go to the "source" just to the easy option end user.

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The program showed what would happen if users were caught downloading music illegally, people would be sent letters warning them to stop or face having their Internet connection speed reduced or even cut off completely.
Imagine that, a consequence for an illegal action.

In order for it to be an effective deterrent however would mean the enforcement of the new law, to say nothing of the long list of long pre-existing laws regarding copyright infringement/property rights.

Quite a concept...in theory.

Notice they never go to the "source" just to the easy option end user.
You have to start somewhere, go after the junkies and drain the pushers pool. Even better, apply RICO Act statutes, go the extra mile and get the pushers house.

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The problem I have with this, is that there are several cases of people being taken to court over illegal downloads, when quite clearly they were not the offender. For example, a granny downloading hip hop. This can happen because hackers can hijack IPs or obfuscate IPs or they may even have been a drive by wi-fi thief.

I saw that programme too, and the biggest thing was that the parents had NO CLUE what the kids were doing online. So, the kids were basically engaging in illegal activity (downloads), wile the parent were oblivious. To me, that is no different from letting the kids run loose outside at night unsupervised, doing vandalism or whatever. It's poor parenting.

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Think of it as a war on drugs I guess....

End user = crack addict

Kazza, limewire, bittorent = the dealers, pushers, guys on the corner.

and the internet service providers = the guys running the stuff over the borders.

It would be nearly impossible to stop the entire population, lets face it everyone wants stuff for free.

Kazaa and lime wire will always keep popping up, its hard to track them aswell.

ISP really arent to blame but would be the best are to stop it since it potentially has the most impact.

Question here is privacy vs ISP. I know people that download like madmen, movies, games, music and the whole lot of it. I can see the potential for their ISP to root them out. I have about a 2,000song mp3 collection and almost no movies. Theirs are easy 6x as much with 100s of movies even in blue ray. At 1$ a download for most songs these days. Why not buy your music? I can get exactly what I want and still contribute to industry???? seems ludicrous but people are cheap.

but where their bandwith might be xx,xxxGB per year, I might be just as close downloading other stuff. Legal HD Videos (NETFLIX), Game patches, software, sharing photos at 3mb each, running my website etc. I find it hard to imagine that in reality the regular user could possible get much higher over my level of bandwith usage.

I dunno the industry is suffering big time because of it and even ISPs have become sluggish in areas during pirating hot times. The 1$ MP3 thing was ultimately about the time I stopped downloading (Thank you amazon) love ya =P

Just have to start bringing down the hammer somehow (bad idea) or finding ways to keep media more secure (much better IMO)

Edited by pz3

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Here in the U.S. , people don't realize it but a lot of ISP's subscibe to services that scan there network and report users downloading files. This happened with my nephew. He decided to download a movie illegally. That day, the isp called him and told him if he continued they would disconnect there service permanently. I have a buddy that works for this isp so I enquired. It's a service. If a user is downloading a popular newer movie it is flagged by a 3rd party company and the isp gets a report which they pass on to there customer. He also enformed me of something else due to the patriot act that the government added to all the isp's years ago. @ anytime with a call, the isp has to turn on a device which monitors a users activity, if the FBI makes the call. I won't go into detail but... big brother can watch you.

Also with my new job i deployed a linux server that has a web filter on it. It logs everything users do on the web. It also sends me reports of users if they visit bad sites such as porn which i forward to their managers. This happens without the users knowledge and does not disrupt speed in any way shape or form. It's even a free solution. Untangle.

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^Too bad the Govt. isn't using that filter/logger for any of their agencies...could save them from some of those embarrassing PR nightmares the press manages to drag up to fill a news cycle.

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why dont the net police infect the download servers with viruses making the servers useless thus no downloads any person with common sense would change internet servers if they got a letter like that or buy a wireless connection booster wich increasses download time by 12

if you ask me its going to fail miserably

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